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by Liam McDaid. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. [15] An apparent "third star" observed in the 1920s is now confirmed as a background object,[16] something previously suggested by Holberg in 2007: Benest and Duvent found that stable orbits with a period of up to six years exist around Sirius A. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. "It does not!" Dogon to explain their beliefs. Figure 1. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that century technological matters brought to them by visitors from other parts "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. But my own measurements, which 1978. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. New evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. So much for the Nommos. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. It seems likely that we will never know for sure. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel mystery resurfaces." Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. Bullard, Thomas. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. The Dogon People Revisited.. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. In 1977 two radio astronomers were interested enough in the Sirius mystery to direct their telescopes at the star system in hopes of picking up any artificial radio signals. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems Sirius. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Sirius Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. A recent newsletter from my local astronomy association still found the Dogon and their mysterious knowledge of Sirius B worth mentioning. The diagram is only convincing as a representation of Sirius B orbiting Sirius A when most of the original symbols are eliminated. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Instead, he closed his response to my own article in 1979 with a brushoff: "In my view it is pointless to attack someone in print unless you can substantiate what you are saying. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. The Dogon legend connected with Sirius, wrote Ridpath, "is riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally." According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had Webplanet earth. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. The Dogon and Sirius. "There is some evidence," he points out, "that the Dogon like to frame pictures with an ellipse, and that Temple may be mistaken about the claim that in Dogon mythology the planets and Sirius-B move in elliptical orbits." Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. That in itself is extraordinary.". (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. ancient Egypt.*. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. The Dogon Revisited Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. Copyright 19922023. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The Dogon have a As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. Such assimilation occurs most frequently when the subject is one of particular interest to a people -- as Sirius is to the Dogons. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. If so, I wonder why that passage was ever "worth pointing out" in the book in the first place. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. ), Another example: "The Dogon also mention a period of rotation of Sirius- Bone yearthis It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. Carl. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. In that case the Dogon (and everyone else) would have had little trouble seeing both stars then. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). There is, (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. The Dogon are supposed to have known that Sirius B orbits Sirius and that a complete orbit takes James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. The cartographer took all such factors into account. The Stone Age storytellers speak by their campfires of other people on other planets and of other mysteries. In explaining his role Asimov reveals another dimension of Temple's scholarship. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: Sirius B was known to exist then. Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. Schroder, D.J., et al. 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