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REALLY !! That is at the root of a serious problem that the Church hardly touches. Well said Lina. Besides, pastors charismatic enough to gain large followings frequently have the ability to effectively deflect criticism and keep their elder board firmly on their side. Some women were still in the middle of the trauma and were still currently attending Harvest. BTW, Ive loved your blogs in the morning, but cant read the Twitter ones because I am not on Twitter. Well said. Be blessed Lina! The Spirit has shown me that Church, the Body of called out believers are those Christians you meet with. I still hold fast to the hope he will take all this to Jesus. Ive been blessed by your teaching and Im wondering if I wouldnt have heard your teaching as much had you stayed longer at Harvest. Pastor James teaching seemed so Biblical. God loves his Church and we can trust hell do what is necessary to preserve it. She approached this with sensitivity, wisdom and grace. God IS in control and knows what he is doing. He is not being bullied. Another blind believer. He just got into the worlds standards for a preacher. As of November, 2021, HBC is $34,000,000 in debt. Nellie, Im sorry for your comment. Please support my writing! and stay glued to founded and genuine monetary purchase services. I am sorry that you experienced this fear. Its so fitting that you likened the pain at Harvest to the pain of a divorce. We are stunned at the response of our pastor and a ministry leader who have declined to meet us as God directs us in Matthew 18. Let this awaken and take down other church leaders that have similar goals. Hi Sally, All of it. Or is he in effect the church, with an elder board that exists only for show and to rubber stamp his decisions? She loves the Word and words, is a binge reader and grammar nut, and is fanatic (as her family can attest) about Jeopardy! In announcing MacDonalds termination, Harvest elders stated they are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful. That, it seems, was what it took to finally break his hold over his current elder board; to finally convince the elders that they were wrong to keep listening to his excuses. Praying for this church also that Gods Holy Spirit is cleaning/healing/humbling/teaching his people. Then, he was fired, according to the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper. In good conscience we walked away too knowing it was the right thing before God.So now I get your story, you were a favorite of Kathy and James so I am sure to take a stand against the injustice at Harvest was not at all an easy decision.So many other godly people got pushed out for speaking up about the entitlement and harshness of James and other Pastors and Elders.So very sad somewhere along the way they just forgot they are supposed to be shepherds and servant and not the guards defending the many sin issues at Harvest. Unfortunately I dont think the Harvest RM is the only Harvest with a culture of fear. Church is of the world. I guess I felt like one of the peons of Harvest, and that me reaching out wouldnt matter, since I was not a part of the inner circle or personally close to you. superstar pastors are always ,inevitably, trouble. We are wounded and grieving. When God led me to leave HBC, I remember being so sad and afraid and wondering if I was hearing Him correctly. Many people went to leaders and spoke up. A former youth pastor for Harvest Bible Chapel in Aurora has been charged with the sexual exploitation of a 16-year-old boy on allegations he sought nude pictures of the boy and repeatedly. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. The two entities released separate statements detailing the results of the process, which went through the Institute for Christian Conciliation. Women are not silenced: This model is not original and is old but it is appropriate for the megachurch and also for the persecuted church. Harvest, an off-shoot of an eponymous megachurch in Illinois, was sued for. Yell and bully and make people feel like second class Christians? for less than $4.25/month. The collaboration of many witnesses should help the leadership at Harvest (or any church) know the depth of a problem. The first one is in the magazine Relevant and looks at the allegations of Anne Green being inappropriately touched by James MacDonald. God is sovereign, He is the Healer, He is the Restorer, He is the Renewer, and He will continue to do what He is doing in order to bring about His will for His people. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. I think that was beautifully stated. needless to say she did not go back and found a great church she was able to become a part of during her college years. Thank you Lina, for opening the door of your life so that we can understand your experience. These changes were never made, but the critics were silencedfor a time. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. There are no ongoing issues of any kind. And this was all the way back in 2012). Others wised up and slowly left. At my former church, I reached the point where I couldnt, in good conscience, stay because of the amount of bull-headed spiritual abuse that was going on combined with covering-up of sexual abuse. I would ask you the same question? Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers who've been critical about problems at Harvest. Lina, The public scrutiny continued with pushback against MacDonalds decision to preach at a Harvest affiliate in Florida during his sabbatical. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. than submission to leaders (It wouldve done no good to tell them how they erred when previous months didnt get it done.) Bless you! Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice. Both of us were involved in many forms of leadership and had invested for many years in the outreach of the church and all of its fellowship. Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. The timing of this article makes you less credible. I am so glad Lina has spoken up. While many in the congregation were willing to give it a second chance, some members raised concerns about many of these individuals closeness to MacDonald, and their willingness to cover for him for so long. The Pastor started teaching on obeying your authority and not questioning authority etc. The moment I read about someone saying something about planting child pornography on the Christianity Todaycomputers, I knew I had to figure out what the heck was going on. I praise your decision to own your ministry outside of James. Pastor James MacDonald of the Chicago-based seven-multicampus Harvest Bible Church, issued an apology statement on Sunday saying that the board of the megachurch unanimously agreed to lift a discipline ban from three excommunicated elders. Pastor James made it political when he compared the era of President Trump to the era of Stalin the era of Hitler. Thanks for being so honest. That is who God truly cares about. Thank you Lina, So many of his followers would still want him as a preacher. Its hard no impossible- to do everything with the right motivation. People meant evil but God works it out for our good. Because evangelical megachurches are typically formed around a single charismatic individual, elder boards are generally loathe to consider letting this individual go. Several years went by and one family apologized to us as did another man. And you will not lose true friends and sisters in Christ. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on her blog. In other words, thatwasMacDonald in the recording. She was obedient to Christ. So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? You are loved. Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? Thank You for writing your blog. Seriously? But the truth needs to be out there. 102 reviews of Faith Church "I have been to a few churches in my day. Gordon Zwirkoski, a former Harvest elder and the original director of HBF, told Roys that James MacDonald essentially wields ultimate authority at the church and cultivates a spirit of fear in the staff. Former Harvest employee Dave Jones says his church has welcomed dozens of Harvest refugees who show signs of spiritual abuse and are disillusioned.. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. Im glad I have stood firm. Dont stop trusting or loving. Oh my how that resonated with me and the experiences my beloved and I have had with churches in the UK. Your mission and your ministry is beautiful and changing lives. Perhaps the Holy Spirit prompted Lina to share from the HEART. Because TRANSPARENCY is neededand now ahe may be starting to feel safe. I will remember to pray for you and the fallout of this situation each time I see somethyfrom you come across my in box. Fear can lead to many sins. James could have easily prayed, [] There are a couple of other reads that came to my attention this evening related to Harvest Bible Chapel that I wanted to make people aware. God is good and He will use those who make themselves available to Him. Anil. But often they require speaking up when injustice is done. Persecution is supposed to come from the world with the devil behind it, as Jesus said. Its hard. The caller alleged (in vulgar terms) that Roys, the reporter, was having an affair with Christianity Todayseditor-in-chief Mark Galli, andmade a comment about bringing down former Christianity Today CEO down by remotely uploading child pornography onto his computers. It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. But are they? It doesnt mean anything.. Nice to hear from you again! Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. We are satisfied and grateful to our pastor for his Christlike behavior. We believe that disciples of Jesus profess that He is Lord, practice His Ways, and persevere in both their profession and practice. He better thank God for Grace and cause he is going to need it. What matters is truth be told. Harvest Bible Chapel has owned its mistakes and endured to become a happier and healthier church, whose members recently pledged financially, in their walk/work for Christ, and in their. Sometimes they will require being nice. Biblical: submission to the Word in My Dream Church will be at a higher level Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. 1 Timothy 5:20: But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. Whatever is wrong in Gods eyes He will bring someone to reveal it. I hate to be James because God judges leadership harsher than the regular sinner. At Camp Harvest in 2009, for example, the pastor shot at a target that contained photos of some elders wives. He invitedme to go when we first started dating. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories. Each weekend, services include live, vertical-focused worship. Also I Cor. Therefore, we are at our most open to hurt. The Elephants Debt, which had posted criticism of MacDonald, including stories by former Harvest members, elders, pastors, and staff, throughout 2012 and 2013, went on a posting hiatus at around this time. In any case, Im saddened to hear that this happened to James McDonald. maybe its time for all of us to wake up. These churches do not usually belong to any denominational body; this means that these pastors have no body above them that they are accountable to. One elder resigned over this, after asking to see the finances and being overruled by the rest of the board. And I wont stand in the way of Christs work. The former Harvest Bible Fellowship leaders now at GCCwhich contains about 130 churches, more than half of which still have Harvest in their namesshare concerns about the churchs leadership and are looking for transparency and repentance from MacDonald. And the truth of many at Harvest. (Proverbs 16:18). Is many people for years have tried to bring things to light privately. I dont see anything mean in her commentary. I do have to laugh though. Ive tried to cover everything in prayer but I dont feel God right now. No one knows why. In eras of prosperity, their hearts drifted. WHY NOW??? In the arbitration, MacDonald retained the rights to Walk in the Word, a part of the church that had put on his teaching ministry and popular radio broadcast. So now, I tell the truth about what happened, and it isnt only a Pastor James problem. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. Same as your departure, not a single person reached out to see how I was doing once I left my job. So Ill never forget the day I got up from my seat in a service, walked out, and never looked back. James MacDonald and the leaders of HBC did that with their own hands, hearts, & minds. So much good was happening at Harvest, surely it must have Gods blessing. The Scripture that came to me as I read this is I Timothy 1:7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but one of power, love, and sound judgment. *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. She has a right to expose. Not cool to kick people when they are down. Gods Timing Is ALWAYS Perfect! I left the church 4 years ago, the week after 3 elders were publiclyex-communicated on a cheap home made movie not worthy of one wasted second of the worship service. As an encouragement, from day 1, as you began your faith walk ministry, starting a Women of Power teaching ministry at Harvest, I have watched your character. Many might wonder why it all still matters to me so much. Humility, repentance, confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, mercy, love, compassion, healing, serious prayer and so much more for and by everyone should be given top priorities on our agendas soon if not now. I hope they succeed in bringing people back to the church! The fruit by which JM is to be judged rather is that of his own true m.o. Nellie-What you might not know. I wondered where God was in the narrative. 2 Thumbs Way up to you my sister in Christ, for being open about your experience there, which more people than you know have also been through! We are taught in Gods Word that it is Christs love that ought to control us. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. My father went through prostate cancer. My daughter had been bullied by both Luke and James, in the presence of other adults, several times over her years in the youth group and yet I did not leave. That is just so day to know that people are leaving churches. I thank you for your willingness to risk being misunderstood while offering your experience to help reduce the shame of others, who need a hand to hold, as they work through their own healing. God bless you. Ive always appreciated your candor and honesty, and I think the Lord has gifted you with a strong sense of discernment. New to Harvest and my faith in Christ, I didnt know what was going on and still kinda of unclear of all the details. And a few days later James MacDonalds sons, Luke and Landon MacDonald, also announced they are resigning. The link was in my post above. Wow Nancy K, after all that has been said and done, seemingly over many years, it is startling to me that you would make such a commemtWow, Why? Or share it. I used to go to a church in AZ pastored by Jon Gaus. This is a very vulnerable time for a lot of people and I am sure God weeps for every single wounded soul.. It was love at first sight!! Harvest elders announced this morning that they were forced to take immediate action on Tuesday to end his 30-year tenure. Lauren Boebert And Marjorie Greene's Adult "So Your Problem with Christianity is the Jesus No, the "Second Shift" Isn't Feminism's Fault. While Harvest the pastor there for years had some good preaching. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. Your sister in Christ in Auburn, Indiana. One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. Lina, I am grateful for your courage. Ezekiel 22:27 In early 2018, reporter Julie Roys, who writes for the conservative evangelical WORLD Magazine, began conducting background research for an article, which was published eight months later under the headline Hard Times at Harvest. No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. The church and its people helped create Pastor James He is not the only one involved it was a group effort. May the God of all comfort minister his comfort to them. Does It Matter Where Your Clothes Come From? Because there are others that need to also be held responsible. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. We cant judge the HEART of others, we can judge their actions and behaviors. In Him, We are the Church! Jesus calls us to be GOOD. Thanks for finally being honest. I am so inspired to see you today. Two top Harvest Bible Chapel pastors today announced they're resigning, following a "season" of difficulty sparked by the termination and scandal involving disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. Even before the 58-year-old pastors sabbatical, MacDonalds role at Harvest had shifted. May God have mercy on his soul. Until recently, I thought I had escaped my fear by leaving Harvest, but I was still afraid. I think Nellie and others are genuine in their questions of why now and why kick him when he is down. My daughter was also at that service when they showed the video. I pray that no stench of fear be found in any space occupied by Christs love. Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? 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I stay with confidence that God will not be mocked, he knows the perfect balance of justice and mercy, he will redeem this pain and we will witness HIS power in HIS church. We have now been without a fellowship for nearly a year (we are missionaries in Europe) because I do not want to join a happy clappy crowd who would not know the Word of God were it to bite them nor do I want to join a fellowship where the Word is extremely well known but there is no life, no joy. Doesnt matter how long ago it happened either. (Matthew 12:33-37). What is strange about your concern about your own fear is I have been of thee opinion that Pastor James must have been ruled by his own fear-fear of losing influence and the fear of losing his ministry. Thank you Lina for your honesty and boldness and ultimately helping me put words to what I have been experiencing through the preaching of James. He is doing a new thing, and I will stand with my brothers and sisters in Christ and praise his Holy name through it all. The confidence I hang on to today is that whether I am approved or critiqued for this opinion, it is Christs love that will catch me and his arms that will continue to sustain me when I close my eyes at the end of each new day. Letting you know about this is one of the most loving things that Lina can do at this time so that others dont experience the pain that she went through. As a nation, something painful will bring us back. You are Loved I think I am gonna throw up. The elders were given a paper that laid out their duties, that mostly consisted of protecting, encouraging, and blessing the senior pastor. He grew the church from 18 members to more. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. When this happens, there is tremendous spiritual and emotional wounding. 1st at services, then recording those messages fir walk in the word and finally by publishing them. The 60-year-old pastor called on his former church to confess its wrongs and correct the record. (Galatians 2:11-21) Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand., And even JMac was right when he quoted 1 Corinthians 16:13: All Rights Reserved. These three men had then joined six other former eldersthese men had all left Harvest entirelyin writing and sending a letter to the current elder board raising concerns about MacDonalds leadership. Id encourage you to read the prophets again, and ask, what upsets the heart of God? And then maybe its time to ask whether those things should upset you as well. I am so happy that finally people are standing up and talk about it! Rotate positions? Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. I pray others in leadership read your post, check their hearts, and follow suit. That IS A LIE!! Romans 16: 17-20. Leaving without speaking up was still an act of cowardice and self-preservation. MacDonald is not being kicked while hes down. The fallout has only just begun. Praying for you for healing and for growth and strength during all of this. While every major financial decision was supposed to be examined and approved by the churchs eldersand it was claimed that this was casethis was not actually happening. Nellie, you know what Lina went through in prep for this how? Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? wounded by wolves in sheeps clothing. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. When the Church becomes the organization instead of the people, then it ceases to be the Church. Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT. Harvest ousted Daniel Marquardt, Scott Phelps, and Barry Slabaugh in 2013 after they protested against . The recognizing date of the exempt status is April, 1972. For this, according to the Daily Herald, Secrest was fired. I hope that you are recovering well, for you have added a vital piece of information. So here I am, piecing together a years-long scandal for you. He was a very good speaker and teacher of the Bible but was forced to resign from our church a few years back. Those of us that have experienced spiritual abuse and church hurt personally can truly resonate with your story. Dont find that in the Bible. That night changed me. Harvest and MacDonald had a contentious separation last year, when he lost the position he held for 30 years over inappropriate comments and harmful conduct stemming from his legal battle with people investigating the church. Lina did try to have a conversation with the Elders before she left Harvest. Somehow I thought 2500+ members walking out would send the message. Hmm. That, apparently, was what it took to get him fired. is it the pastors doing? 4. Its very important that people share their stories. Many many of us are praying for all of you in Naples. Christians! Christ alone is to be worshipped. It never dawned on me that it would open you up to attack. With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. The Right's New Lie: The Left Gave Us Toxic Masculinity, The Harvest Bible Chapel Scandal in a Nutshell (And Why You Should Care). God wins the war. Worship With Us. I cant imagine a person alive who couldnt look at their life and say the same thing in some area of their dealings with people. Nicole, I am sorry if you are offended. I had a bad experience at the Chapel myself. The reason there are spiritual Pol Pots that number in the thousands like our friend James McDonald is because men are happy to give themselves authority. I feel like I cant trust my own judgment any more. But that does not matter. Mind you, I didnt simply walk out. Thank you for coming forward! I do not think the solution is replacing the pastor and associates with a new administration. Sheri and her husband Gary attended Cornerstone in the 1980s while attending Azusa Pacific and in their first few years of marriage. I no longer help lead a larger mens ministry. 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The sin that has taken place does not negate the awesome work that God has done, and it pains my heart to hear people act as if it does. From your first speaking engagement at Harvest, I have watched your ministry(ies) and have see you be a strong fast speaking, outgoing woman, by ethnic background, yet a humble servant of Christ who feels deeply the impact of wrongfulness. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. The web page has a Contact button on the bottom and we can email. Welcome to Ohio. Thanks Sheila. Why do you say you have a lack of music?. In his remarks this week, he says he confessed his relational failings multiple times, but still lost longtime friends and ministry partners to Harvests narrative. 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